Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.3: Report on Licensing interpretation sessions
Date of reporting: 22-02-2022
Report author: Jack Rueter (University of Helsinki)
Contributors: Varpu Vehomäki, Mietta Lennes (University of Helsinki)
Deliverable location:
There are essentially two sets of audio materials that the EU Parliament makes available online. There are the debates and videos associated with the sittings, on the one hand, and a smaller set of «News in Brief» podcasts, on the other. While the latter set consists of recordings without transcriptions of thematically consistent audios, one to nearly four minutes in length, the former consists of original audios and their transcriptions with the correlating audios of all the interpretations.
We have selected the former set as the target of our investigation, and have found that acquisition of the desired materials might be carried out semi-automatically. The timestamps for original-language audios and their transcriptions can be harvested from the European Parliament | Plenary sitting | Debates and videos document directory, but access to the audios themselves is more problematic.
Original audios and their interpretations are readily accessible on line, but acquisition of them does not parallel that of the direct download offered for the News-in-Brief podcasts rather it requires that a request with timestamps and language choice be made for each audio. Thus, in order to acquire both an original English audio and its correlating Finnish interpretation, two requests must be sent. An optimal audio set might then be seen in a request for the recording of an entire sitting as an original-language audio complemented by a second request for the correlating Finnish interpretation audio sharing the same timestamps.
To investigate the possibility of acquiring larger collections of the datasets, a citizens’ enquiries contact form has been filed in which the original-language audios with their correlating interpretation audios for Finnish, Swedish, English and Estonian have been requested for the third week of January, 2023. Although our interest lies in the procurement of Finnish interpretation audios for original English original audios and transcriptions, this more extensive request is seen to be helpful in establishing procedures for future acquisitions and the testing of speech recognition technologies already used and developed in Finland.
It has been ascertained that materials for constructing a Demo corpus with aligned audios and transcriptions of original-language speech along with correlating interpretation audios and their text-to-speech-derived transcriptions can be acquired using semi-automated means. To this end the alignment of English-originals with Finnish interpretation audios and their text-to-speech-recognized transcriptions from a single sitting might serve as an illustrative example from which to later build upon.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 4.1: Report on Harmonization code
Date of reporting: 20-02-2022
Report author: Leo Lahti (University of Turku)
Contributors: Pyry Kantanen (University of Turku)
Deliverable location: Internal
Open source software and algorithms for harmonizing raw bibliographic data downloaded from the Finnish National Library OAI-PMH API in XML format are essential for building open and replicable infrastructures for harmonizing the Finnish National Bibliography (FNB) metadata and other similar datasets. Tailored for our specific use case of the Fennica FNB dataset, we have written harmonization codes utilizing the R programming language and some of its openly available libraries. The harmonization code is accompanied by documentation for individual functions and as well as running the scripts that perform the data harmonization procedures for each field.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 5.2: Report on Actor network
Date of reporting: 30-1-2023
Report author: Sanna Kumpulainen (Tampere University)
Contributors: Jaako Peltonen (Tampere University), Anna Sendra Toset (Tampere University), Farid Alijani (Tampere University)
Deliverable location: DARIAH-FI – Actor network
The first version of the actor network is available at: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.7588774
The actor network is a living document that includes relevant information regarding the DARIAH-FI research infrastructure, such as the activities conducted so far (internal meetings, roadshows), the future of the consortium and details of the different WPs.
For example, thanks to the different roadshows organized, we now have a list of 180 people interested in the work of DARIAH-FI, mostly from the fields of history, linguistics, and sociology. Many of these individuals (n=97) belong to the first and second stages of the research career (väitöskirjatutkija; postdoc-tutkija).
As more activities and other events will continue to be arranged in the future, such as the roadshow organized at the University of Turku on 24.1.2023, new and expanded versions of the actor network will be released during 2023.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.5: Report on Digital storage of The National Certificates of Language Proficiency test performances
Date of reporting: 2023-02
Report author: Ari Huhta (JYU)
Contributors: Ari Huhta, Sirkku Kronholm, Mika Halttunen (JYU)
Deliverable location:
Status: delayed due to external factors outside the control of the team (long and complex negotiations between Opetushallitus and JYU about the new 5-year contract on the NCLP examination); see below for details
The National Certificates of Language Proficiency (NCLP) is an official language examination in nine languages that targets adult learners. The exam is the responsibility of the Finnish National Agency for Education (Opetushallitus) which has delegated the design of the examination to the Centre for Applied Language Studies (CALS) at JYU. Since 1994 about 150 000 examinations have been taken, about 110 000 of which in the Finnish as a foreign or second language. With over 7 000 yearly exams in L2 Finnish, the NCLP has the potential for producing a significant amount of learner language for research purposes, particularly for written and spoken Finnish. However, we lack procedures by which examinee performances could be easily turned into a learner corpus and we lack a digital platform for storing these performances.
The NCLP examinations are still paper-based, which is a major issue for creating a digital learner corpus. The digitalisation of the exam has made some progress (e.g. databases for items and an online rating system for speaking performances have been created in recent years) but due to lack of resources the examinees reply to reading, listening and writing tasks on paper. The exception to this is the speaking test that the examinees complete by giving spoken responses in a language / computer lab; these responses are recorded digitally to be evaluated later by human raters.
The plans for creating systematic procedures and a digital platform for storing NCLP performances suffered a serious delay in early 2022 since the negotiations about a new contract concerning the NCLP between the Finnish National Agency and CALS / JYU took a whole year during which no further development (e.g. digitalisation) was funded by the Agency. The new agreement was finalised and signed in December 2022. It is only now that we can resume talks with the Agency about the digitalisation of the NCLP examination, which is a prerequisite for the creation of a new learner corpus.
Our survey of possible digital platforms for the NCLP has yielded one very potential candidate that would also make it possible to store examinee performances in the same system that is used to deliver and take the language tests. However, negotiations with the National Agency about the use of that (or any other) system have not yet started but are envisaged to commence in February 2023. If the National Agency agrees to use the above mentioned digital platform, the platform to store learner performances will, at least initially (and perhaps already in the latter part of 2023), be that digital system. However, it is likely that the performances need to be moved to a more permanent digital store at some later point.
Learner performances from the NCLP can be used in research on second/foreign language proficiency such as studies on the linguistic, textual, phonological etc features of learner language. Because learners’ performances are rigorously evaluated it is possible to conduct research that, for example, investigates the characteristics of learner language at different stages of development. However, NCLP speaking and writing task performances can also be used in other types of research. Some of the tasks ask examinees to tell about different aspects of their everyday life or express their opinions about various topics (the concreteness vs abstractness of the topics depends on the level of examination they take). Such spoken and written texts can shed light on learners’ (such as immigrants taking the Finnish or Swedish language examination as part of the naturalisation process) lives, experiences and opinions that can be of interest to sociologists and ethnologists, for example.
Thus, overall, any work on the envisaged deliverable 2.5.1 can only take place after the first 2-year stage of the Fin-Clariah project – unless the National Agency agrees to move forward with the digitalisation of the NCLP by adopting the digital test platform we have identified as the best option. However, we consider the deliverable 2.5.2 to be the main output of WP2.5 and even more important than 2.5.1 since it relates to and will be useful for several other Work Packages as well as for future work on making NCLP examinee performances available for the research community. A fair amount of learner language has already been collected in several past and present research projects at JYU (but also in the DigiTala project by HU, Aalto and JYU; see WP2.2). Therefore, we have enough data to evaluate the suitability of existing automated annotation systems for L2 Finnish. More data from the NCLP examinations would have been useful at this stage but not necessary or feasible since a systematic analysis of performances from e.g. new tasks from the NCLP would have taken more time and resources than were available for it.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.2: Report on Speech recognition for L2
Date of reporting: 2023-02
Report author: Anssi Moisio (Aalto University)
Contributors: Anssi Moisio, Dejan Porjazovski, Aku Rouhe, Yaroslav Getman, Anja Virkkunen, Ragheb AlGhezi, Tamás Grósz and Mikko Kurimo (Aalto University); Krister Lindén and Mietta Lennes (UHEL)
Deliverable location: Aalto Speech Research | Lahjoita puhetta resources
Speech recognition systems trained on the Lahjoita puhetta speech corpus are available on Zenodo. The links to the different model types are collected on this GitHub page and the models are described in this article.
Moisio, A., Porjazovski, D., Rouhe, A. et al. Lahjoita puhetta: a large-scale corpus of spoken Finnish with some benchmarks. Lang Resources & Evaluation (2022). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10579-022-09606-3
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 5.1: Report on User experience questionnaire
Date of reporting: 30-1-2023
Report author: Sanna Kumpulainen (Tampere University)
Contributors: Jaako Peltonen (Tampere University), Anna Sendra Toset (Tampere University), Farid Alijani (Tampere University)
Deliverable location: DARIAH-FI UX questionnaire
The first version of the user experience questionnaire is available at: https://survey.tuni.fi/lime/214299?lang=en
The questionnaire was developed in several phases. First, during September 2022, we conducted a series of internal semi-structured interviews within the consortium with the objective of identifying relevant aspects to be assessed in terms of user experience. Data collected was analysed through a thematic analysis, and the results obtained were presented at the University of Jyväskylä under the framework of the FIN-CLARIAH day on 18.11.2022.
Second, during December 2022, we conducted a literature review with the objective of identifying relevant user experience questionnaires in the literature. After discussing these different options internally, we then developed the first version of the DARIAH-FI user experience questionnaire by integrating both the results of the interviews and the literature review. This first version of the questionnaire will now be tested during the Spring 2023 in collaboration with other WPs.
According to the original plan, the user experience questionnaire was slated for Q3/2022. However, due to delays in hiring, we are only now at the point where the first version of the user experience questionnaire is ready to be tested. We expect to be able to have the final user experience questionnaire ready and validated during 2023.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 3.1: Report on Ingestion framework
Date of reporting: 2023-02
Report author: Johanna Lilja (National Library of Finland), Tuula Pääkkönen (National Library of Finland)
Contributors: Martin Matthiesen (CSC)
Deliverable location: https://github.com/CSCfi/kielipankki-nlf-harvester
Division of responsibilities between NLF and CSC agreed. NLF will provide latest data and information about deleted data items in their metadata API. CSC will provide a mechanism to provide older versions of the NLF dataset. Envisaged is providing data 5 years backwards, it is yet unclear how to finance this after the end of this project.
FIN-CLARIAH WP3.1 presentation from DARIAH-FI workshop on November 9th, 2022.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 4.3: Report on Subsetting tool
Date of reporting: 14-11-2022
Report author: Eetu Mäkelä (University of Helsinki)
Contributors: Ville Vaara (University of Helsinki)
Deliverable location: Internal
The prototype version of the subsetting tool is at https://github.com/hsci-r/octavo/. This prototype version of the tool has been and is being successfully used in multiple research projects. At the same time, the prototype is 1) not as easily updatable as we’d like and 2) not as easily maintainable as we’d like. Both of these hindrances are mainly caused by the tool being built by hooking into the Lucene search library on multiple levels of interfaces (mostly according to whichever interface provided the most efficient way to enact each functionality), which considerably increases system complexity. Additionally, some of the integrations are on really low levels, where interface stability between versions is considerably lower.
In order to overcome these deficiencies, WP4.3 has been evaluating whether a production version of the tool could be built on top of Elasticsearch, which is also based on Lucene, but offers APIs and interfaces on a much higher level of abstraction and standardisation. The idea here is that if the same functionalities could be built using Elasticsearch, there would be 1) much less API surface between the custom and standard parts of the system, and 2) the remaining extension points would be more standard, widely documented, stable and understood.
In pursuit of this, the WP has all of a) catalogued the current Lucene extension points that the current prototype is using, b) catalogued which functionalities rely on which extension points, and rated them based on how important they have been for actual users in the associated research projects, and c) respectively gone over the extension points and possibilities offered by Elasticsearch. Next, these need to be brought together and aligned with each other to come up with a go/no-go decision on whether a sufficient number of the functionalities rated as important can be developed just using the well-documented extension points of Elasticsearch, and thus whether we should go ahead with the actual reimplementation of the tool using that framework.
According to the original plan, getting to the point where a decision could be made was slated for Q3/2022. However, due to delays in hiring, we are only now at the point where the constituent sides of the background reports are completed and working out their alignment can begin. At present, we expect to be able to make the go/no-go decision itself within a month from now.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 4.1: Report on Harmonized FNB
Date of reporting: 14-11-2022
Report author: Leo Lahti (University of Turku)
Contributors: Pyry Kantanen (University of Turku)
Deliverable location: Internal
Digital metadata collections are valuable for cataloguing and information retrieval. They provide structured data that has a foreseen impact on developing methods, applications and tools, and they are increasingly recognized as a potential research object that allows large-scale statistical comparisons, albeit often only after substantial harmonization, enrichment, and curation.
We currently have the National bibliography of Finland with metadata of Finnish printings, audiovisual material and web material across several centuries to the current time available through kansalliskirjasto.finna.fi and as linked open data at data.nationallibrary.fi. The WP4.1 delivers harmonized version of the Finnish National Bibliography (FNB) and release the data, code, workflows, and analysis tools under an open license. D4.1.1 (Q3/2022) suffered from recruitment delays but the research assistant has been actively working on the project and CSC integration and it seems realistic that this deliverable can be completed by the end of Q4/2022.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 3.3: Report on Qualitative survey data concept network
Date of reporting: 14-11-2022
Report author: Krista Lagus (University of Helsinki)
Contributors: Rachel Bryant, Maria Litova, Tuukka Oikarinen, Joni Oksanen, Maria Valaste (University of Helsinki), Sakari Taipale, Ida Toivanen, Tomi Oinas (University of Jyväskylä), Jani-Matti Tirkkonen (University of Eastern Finland), Jaakko Peltonen (Tampere University)
Deliverable location: https://github.com/DARIAH-FI-Survey-Concept-Network
The objective of the WP3.3 is to better use unstructured qualitative textual data in the context of Finnish surveys with the use of a concept network tool. The toolbox is intended to build a bridge from not-very-NLP-coding-apt social science researchers towards the computational NLP community’s text analytics methods and processes that might be useful for understanding the results of their survey.
Currently, the concept network tool consists of implementing multiple use cases for the exploratory analysis of survey open responses as separate processing streams. Use cases for the streams are being defined based on working with the pilot data sets. There are 5 pilot data sets that have been obtained for explorative methodological work to facilitate tool development. So far analysis and development work has begun on three; remaining two will be utilised for testing the tools during 2023. We are likely to reach the final version of deliverable 3.3.1 in Q4/2022 or Q1/2023. At the moment, we have pushed the deadline to Q4/2022 due to data set obtaining, data analyses and methods exploration taking more time than was originally anticipated. The toolset (process pipeline) development is in progress, not ready to be released yet, as it needs harmonising, testing and documenting.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 3.1: Report on Ingestion framework
Date of reporting: 2023-02
Report author: Johanna Lilja (National Library of Finland), Tuula Pääkkönen (National Library of Finland)
Contributors: Martin Matthiesen (CSC)
Deliverable location: https://github.com/CSCfi/kielipankki-nlf-harvester
Basic concept of how the data is downloaded exists. Technology defined (Apache airflow for workflow management) has been chosen. Script created for downloading METS XML, and then ALTO XML files via Airflow. CSC Project created with necessary quota. Download of dataset (METS, ALTO) started in January 2023. Areas of improvement identified: Download speed, METS filepaths need post processing. Next steps are agreed between NLF and CSC, we continue the fruitful collaboration. Airflow evaluated and found fit for purpose.
FIN-CLARIAH WP3.1 presentation from DARIAH-FI workshop on November 9th, 2022.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 3.1: Report on Initial NLF Data
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Johanna Lilja (National Library of Finland), Tuula Pääkkönen (National Library of Finland)
Contributors: Martin Matthiesen (CSC)
Deliverable location: https://github.com/CSCfi/kielipankki-nlf-harvester
Basic concept of how the data is downloaded exists. Technology defined (Apache airflow for workflow management) has been chosen. Script created for downloading METS XML, and then ALTO XML files via Airflow. CSC Project created with necessary data requests.
FIN-CLARIAH WP3.1 presentation from DARIAH-FI workshop on November 9th, 2022.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 1.3: Report on Corpora of non-standard language
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Veronika Laippala (UTU)
Contributors: Veronika Laippala, Filip Ginter, Sampo Pyysalo, Anni Eskelinen, Anna Salmela (UTU)
Deliverable location: turkunlp.org | github.com/TurkuNLP
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.4: Report on Initializing terminology collection
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Harri Kettunen (UHEL)
Contributors: Tiina Onikki-Rantajääskö (UHEL)
Deliverable location: The Helsinki Term Bank for the Arts and Sciences – Tieteen termipankki
During the first 9 months of the project, the Helsinki Term Bank for the Arts and Sciences has initiated terminology work in the following new fields: behavioral sciences, mathematics, Mesoamerican studies, North American Indigenous studies, and theology, whereof mathematics, and theology are initially working offline and will publish the terminology work at a later date. Furthermore, terminology work has been agreed upon this year in the following fields: Arctic research, Asian studies, gender studies, geography, military sciences, nutritional sciences, and physiology. In addition, an interdisciplinary working group has been established for metascientific terminology. The group is composed of researchers from different fields and from various universities in Finland.
New concept pages have been created in the following fields in 2022: art history, behavioral sciences, botany, classical studies, digital humanities, forensics, genealogical studies, geology, history, law, linguistics, martial arts studies, Mesoamerican studies, open science, philosophy, physics, religion studies, social psychology, sustainability studies, and translation studies. All in all, 584 entirely new new concept pages have been created since January 2022.
Furthermore, the database has been updated in the following fields: aesthetics, archaeology, art history, astronomy, behavioral sciences, biology, biotechnology, botany, classical studies, digital humanities, education, environmental sciences, film and television studies, geology, heritage studies, history, Indigenous studies, language technology, law, linguistics, literary studies, martial arts studies, Mesoamerican studies, meteorology, open science, performing arts, philosophy, physics, plain language research, religion studies, semiotics, social psychology, terminology, and translation studies. In total, 2111 existing concept pages have been updated and in total 1114 new terms have been added. The full amount of concept pages as of October 30, 2022, is 47,664.
Between 1 January and 29 October 2022, there have been 546,202 users whereof 524,066 have been new users. The total number of sessions has been 855,533 with 1,509,599 page views.
The Helsinki Term Bank for the Arts and Sciences was granted the following awards in 2022:
It should be noted that the project coordinator Harri Kettunen started in the beginning of March 2022. The first step to establish a new field is to gather and activate an expert group, and it takes time before the guidance to the voluntary terminology work results in concept pages of the database. Thus networking has been the main activity of the project coordinator.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.4: Report on Term discovery procedures
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Krister Lindén (UHEL)
Contributors: Sam Hardwick, Harri Kettunen (UHEL)
Deliverable location: Kielipankin työkaludemot (kielipankki.fi) | Käsitelouhinta
Concept mining: The glossary (in this case, the The Helsinki Term Bank for the Arts and Sciences) is used in conjunction with the reference corpus (FTC newspaper data) to find related terms from the target data (theses from different faculties) related terms of existing terms as well as new terms specific to the target data.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 1.2: Report on Forced-Alignment Service
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Martin Matthiesen (CSC)
Contributors: Juho Leinonen (Aalto), Sam Hardwick, Mietta Lennes (UHEL)
Deliverable location: Language Bank Tools Demos (kielipankki.fi) | Forced Alignment
The forced alignment tool provides time stamps for transcribed words or utterances of an audio file. The tool can be used in puhti.csc.fi and a web interface can be accessed on the Language Bank Demo Tools page, included on the list of tools at kielipankki.fi.
The source code for the original forced aligner is provided on GitHub, https://github.com/aalto-speech/finnish-forced-alignment, and the Docker image on which the tool is based can be found on Dockerhub, https://hub.docker.com/r/juholeinonen/kaldi-align. The specific endpoints for the forced aligner versions installed in the Language Bank of Finland are included in the code repository at https://github.com/Traubert/kielipankki-services, under services/finnish-forced-align.
finnish-forced-alignment: J. Leinonen, S. Virpioja and M. Kurimo. ”Grapheme-Based Cross-Language Forced Alignment: Results with Uralic Languages” NoDaLiDa. 2021.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 1.1: Report on Updating LBF resource selection
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Jussi Piitulainen (UHEL)
Contributors: Ute Dieckmann, Varpu Vehomäki, Krister Lindén, Mietta Lennes (UHEL)
Deliverable location: Corpora | Kielipankki
The Kielipankki data sets are available in appropriate channels: the download service, the Korp concordance engine, and a data directory in the Puhti computing enviroment. The data sets have persistent identifiers and are documented in public metadata records, resource family pages, and resource group pages.
We are in progress updating data sets (Suomi24, STT newswire) with Universal Dependencies (UD2) annotations in addition to the previous annotation model. We are in progress using automatic language identification to separate the Finnish and Swedish texts in a large new batch of the National Library newspaper corpus (KLK). Data sets in the ingestion pipeline are being documented and prioritized to become available in the appropriate Kielipankki channels.
Project: FIN-CLARIAH
Grant agreement: Academy of Finland no. 345610
Start date: 01-01-2022
Duration: 24 months
WP 2.1: Report on Licensing agreements for personal data
Date of reporting: 2022-09
Report author: Mietta Lennes (UHEL)
Contributors: Sirpa Kovanen, Krister Lindén (UHEL)
Deliverable location: Deposition license agreement template
The deposition license agreement template of the Language Bank of Finland has been thoroughly updated in order to allow for the deposition of resources that contain personal data. The template now includes a new annex where the data processing terms and conditions regarding personal data can be included.
The deposition agreement contains both general as well as resource-specific terms and conditions according to which the Language Bank may distribute a given resource. The template can be used when depositing a new resource in the Language Bank of Finland. The completed document is to be signed by the rightholder(s), by the controller regarding the personal data (if applicable), and by the Language Bank of Finland, legally represented by the University of Helsinki. In order to make the administrative procedure faster, the Language Bank has also started using a system for electronic signing.
Specific details of the license terms and conditions are always separately agreed for each individual resource. When planning on the deposition of research data in the Language Bank of Finland, depositors should contact FIN-CLARIN so that the situation regarding the material and the practical possibilities distributing the data can be checked and discussed together if required. In order to make the discussions easier, it is recommended to submit a request to create the preliminary metadata record for the new resource first.
