<TITLE: Multicultural Reporting
ACADEMIC DOMAIN: social sciences
DISCIPLINE: journalism and mass communication
EVENT TYPE: lecture discussion
FILE ID: ULECD020
NOTES: continuation of ULEC060, students' voices sometimes inaudible

RECORDING DURATION: 74 min 1 sec

RECORDING DATE: 28.10.2002

NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS: 12

NUMBER OF SPEAKERS: 8

S1: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: Finnish; ACADEMIC ROLE: junior staff; GENDER: female; AGE: 31-50

NS2: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: English (UK); ACADEMIC ROLE: undergraduate; GENDER: female; AGE: 17-23

S3: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: Slovakian, German; ACADEMIC ROLE: undergraduate; GENDER: female; AGE: 17-23

S4: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: German; ACADEMIC ROLE: undergraduate; GENDER: male; AGE: 24-30

NS5: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: English (USA); ACADEMIC ROLE: masters student; GENDER: male; AGE: 17-23

S6: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: Dutch; ACADEMIC ROLE: masters student; GENDER: male; AGE: 24-30

S7: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: Russian; ACADEMIC ROLE: masters student; GENDER: female; AGE: 17-23

S8: NATIVE-SPEAKER STATUS: Latvian; ACADEMIC ROLE: masters student; GENDER: female; AGE: 17-23

SU: unidentified speaker

SS: several simultaneous speakers>


<LECTURE ULEC060 by S1>
<S1> <PASSING HANDOUTS, P:14> how many (you need) four . <SU> thanks </SU> yeah . so how did you feel er writing these columns was it easier than the other stuff or more difficult . what do you think </S1>
<NS2> i think it's different 'cause you have to (give) your own view <S1> yeah </S1> and then quite frightening (xx) controversial it was quite difficult a topic </NS2>
<S3> i thought it it's sort of easier because i could expl- express my own view and or don't have to look at so objective all the time and just the facts so i can say something about me and my relation to this topic so <S1> mhm </S1> i liked it more @@ </S3>
<S1> yeah okay <P:05> mhm was it easy to to find the topic <P:06> yeah </S1>
<S4> oh yeah same thing i think it was erm was easier writing (xx) but finding the topic was more difficult because you had to be creative in a way you have to be creative all the time but <S1> @@ </S1> if you write like a news you have the facts and you just have to erm to put them together in a good way you know like erm finding the topic was difficult but writing was easier i think because you didn't have to follow so much i mean so many rules </S4>
<S1> yeah yeah the use of language was was probably easier and i could tell that from from your writing that that i think er it was probably easier to write these stories but yeah maybe the topics they need to be developed bit more or your views on on these topics too but it's quite demanding i think mhm . er so this there are some erm books that er i can recommend this is this is very good book on erm news it's more about the kind of ideology of the news and ideology of media critical and very interesting and they er the the author is stuart allan and erm <P:07> this </S1>
<SU> stuart (xx) his name </SU>
<SU> is it allan (xx) or </SU>
<S1> er A-L-L-A-N . and er this article er is from this book that i handed out to you and we can go through some of that today and then there is er this one this is writing and reporting news a coaching method by carol rich this is er kind of very er er basic textbook that gives you er very clear guide to writing how to write and how to start and elements of the news and i think erm it was er when we met the first time i handed out er basics of news writing that's from this book so that's this is kind of a very practical book very practical information and that you can use and then there there are some studies on on racism or race in the news or in media so this is one study that goes through these issues and then there is erm if you're interested i can pass this or or pass all of those this is erm erm something that's er done by the european union monitoring centre er on racism and xenophobia and there are different countries er and evaluations on (xx) so if you're cu- curious what they say for example about holland or or italy you can look through this and see what what the situations this is more more kind of bureaucratic european union report type of @@ book but but still interesting so i'll pass this on so you can take closer look <P:11> mhm but then we can also take er while while you're looking at those books look at the thing i handed out and if you look at the page er 161 <P:07> it's the it's er i think it's really er interesting story and how it's been analysed so take your time and read read er so that you you understand what it's about i think you have to read from this some might be seen as an example there is one example from the sun <STUDENTS READING, P: 3:23> so what do you make of the story are you ready already </S1>
<P:22>
<NS2> (xx) newspaper @@ it's (very wide) (xx) </NS2>
<S1> yeah yeah <P:06> 'cause i mean the the issue seems a bit ridiculous really (difficult) but er what is what is really interesting in this example is how the language is being used so that obviously this the readers or the implied readers of of this story are not the muslims at least that's quite clear in the story so if you in this sense this way it's it's really good example how you don't really even think about that when you're reading the newspapers . and that those are one of the er that's one of the problems in in newspapers in media that erm journalists the minorities and women @@ are not really well represented in newspapers and in media and er at least in finland now i think gender-wise things are really good i think there are quite a lot of women journalists but erm if we think about the ethn- ethnicity and and in that sense it's it's really very white and very er <SIC> homogenic </SIC> really </S1>
<S4> but i don't get that in this column right <S1> yeah </S1> also er how it is er pretty much successful column and i mean if he expresses or if erm he or she the author expresses opinion then there's nothing wrong with that so </S4>
<S1> well yeah in one sense yeah but erm as i said if if we want to think about the kind of multicultural sensitivity and if we want to want to erm be aware of our language i think this is good example of how you use the kind of us them division as kind of self-evident and kind of point of departure is that so </S1>
<NS2> i don't know if erm if it's meant to to be like this but the fact that they call them the pig squad even though they mean because they took these pigs erm the word pig is an insulting name for police in england so it's quite prejudiced i think you don't like the police called a pig so it's quite strange that they use that <S1>  yeah </S1> so maybe it's (xx) both ways </NS2>
<S1> yeah yeah . yeah probably but that's one of the one of the thing things they are mentioning that or or the writer is is mention that that it's erm that's the most ridiculous thing is that the police what what police is doing yeah kind of (xx) . yeah . so it has kind of <SU> [(xx)] </SU> [two stages kind of] @@ yeah . yeah them and the people who are erm accepting their view that type of thinking i think in this on . mhm <P:05> but in a sense erm well i could say that this is a good column er and successful one because it it clearly er has a view or point erm is true and we were talking earlier about the fact that should we or should we not talk about issues that are difficult or or negative and erm i still think we do definitely but of course there is a way to talk about these things and not just sort of one-sided give a one-sided view erm here in this the same the next page if you look at it there is erm erm , er john hartley's er discu- er discussion on we-dom and they-dom @@ which is interestingly put er concerning the er , er aboriginal communities in australia and there is a list of of different ways to different practices to to construct them as they and this is also quite interesting there's dance naming identity citizenship access <P:06> but you can probably <P:06> look at those later erm i also copied you the last page that you have it's erm <P:05> its' on war journalism and erm . this is the <P:06> list of different terms used by the british press on on the war in persian gul- gulf which is quite interesting also we could actually do another study now . it's kind of becoming <P:05> issue of the day again so these are quite interesting , words <P:05> obviously when we are dealing with war journalism there is always propaganda involved and you have to kind of , it's it's pretty obvious that we write us they distinction if it's a situation of war . s- but i just gave you the list to kind of . to go through and as an example of , way words are being used if if you're more interested in that part there is er in that book there is a chapter on on the news journalism s- er war journalism so you can take closer look at that <P:09> then the there are er yet some other things er if if we think about the erm multicultural sensitivity in writing er if we think about who who are the readers what you think about that and also of course who are the sources of our stories whose voice is being heard in the news who is speaking in the story and how these people are being named and this was already in my my example when i i myself wrote this column i got really confused whether i could use certain words and . for example in united states i- if we talk about wh- should we talk about latinos or chicanos or hispanos these kind of words are quite important and they also change all the time that's something that for example the finnish people are n- are not er many many of finnish people can't accept the fact that the language changes in this respect er they refuse to give up the old word for black people which is in finnish <FOREIGN>  neekeri </FOREIGN> it's erm same as negro and it's er we constantly have these arguments in newspaper and media whether we should use this word or not and er people argue that it's it's really an old word finnish word and it doe- it's not really a racist word so what if the people who erm er who are the er object of or subject of this word feel that it's offensive w-why why should we use it why can't we give up why why it's so precious these are these kind of arguments with words that we go we we have constantly and er one of the and that's one of the things i think as a journalist we have to accept that language changes all the time and these definitions may change and it's erm it's something that we have to be pretty sensitive about because we use the language publicly and it's also kind of example so i think it's very important and then there there is er er another another thing is is of course the kind of stories we write erm different studies have showed that that minorities are usually er well-represented in the stories of crime and and crime and problem oriented stories not so much in in life style economy kind of stories so that's one way if you want to write differently you can think about this you you can write life style stories with different kind of minorities and not make an issue of it just er just part of the as in a way er to approach , these issues so these are different ways that in practice when you're writing stories you can actually somehow erm use or or practice kind of multicultural sensitivity and and try to to widen up the perspective of of basic journalism which is still i think quite conservative in many ways erm at this point i think we can er have a small break and then we could talk about the stories that we're going to going to write there are some really interesting things happening i can tell you about that then and erm i-tampere people the writers for i-tampere are meeting at four o'clock over there so i think we can invite them here and we can discuss about different topics with them they can tell what they are writing and so on . let's have a break now so we can continue after 15 20 minutes okay </S1>
<15 MINUTE BREAK>
<S1> er by the way andreas was or andreas also read through your columns and he had the very similar ideas as i did about the the erm that they were quite good and er interesting and he he was especially he thought that it was really interesting to read your paper on japan and japanese and koreans because that's something we don't really deal with that much here so it was really interesting to hear about that and er but he said that he he found that the the most problematic things were probably to do with the target audience who's supposed to be reading these stories and and this kind of erm that was and also erm a bit about the point what is they were quite general for in his opinion also but most of them he thought what were were quite good quite interesting . okay so we should now move on to i-tampere and and the the stories we're going to write there i'll close the door . so any ideas <P:07> if we were newspaper we were in trouble @@ really okay erm some of you i i suggested for <NAME> and er and <NAME> that they should explore the italian community in tampere and which they are now doing (xx) i i have some contacts and er actually andreas has some some also erm er then er <NAME S4> er what about you have you thought about more on yours </S1>
<S4> erm i'm still little bit erm confused (but erm for the) concrete but erm er and well i want to do something politics that small point but erm yes so trying to figure out like concrete concrete question or anything that i could follow into but erm i haven't really figured out one one point yet erm or as i said last week there was something with erm islam and (xx) and and the certain issues are they different here and in their home home countries for example but erm yeah it's kind of difficult issue that i try to figure out i yeah <S1> yeah </S1> but i didn't erm well there's no real progress yet in my thinking i <SS> @@ </SS> i think i can </S4>
<S1> okay yeah well there's definitely erm er some islamic erm associations that could help you start with you know erm kind of way to approach the talk with with people in in those associations and figure out whether that erm you can find something from that that's one way but erm mhm and well <NAME NS5> probably knows about that <NS5> yeah yes </NS5> more yeah i can help you with that if if you want definitely yeah there's one point and of course you can you can if you want you can connect that with the with er erm september 11th er happenings and whether the situation has changed here in finland whether they feel that the the attitudes have changed in their lives and whether it has had any effect at all 'cause that's one way yeah </S1>
<S4> are we supposed to come up with erm with with an idea and erm develop that idea for ourselves and then erm erm look go to some people and do interviews or is it supposed to erm develop during interviews and erm when we have met some people and then we decide on alright what do i want to write about or is it like [other way around] </S4>
<S1> [well i think yeah] well i think the best way to do it is actually to try to develop it together for example here and if people have some ideas and we can discuss them together erm beforehand so we know you know where to find information and think about where to go to do an interview because if we do it the other way around it's a bit more complicated and and would take overtime but obviously we can't always know what the stories are like sometimes we're in middle of unknown territory we don't know whether there's gonna be a story or or so </S1>
<S4> do you think it is more useful to start with a very concrete question or erm we should approach er the whole thing a little bit more erm wide that you have like not so much concrete thing <S1> mhm [mhm] </S1> ['cause] i think it's more easy if we have like really concrete thing and then we write about only that and that's it <S1> [yeah] </S1> [and] that is this construct of erm maybe more than one ideas in mind and then you get confused and it's </S4>
<S1> yeah yeah yeah i i think so er i i also think that it's it's good if you have something very concrete so much easier to write about it and yeah definitely some happening some or some place or some a portrait of a person or something like that that you can deal these questions </S1>
<S4> also one example i don't wanna do that but one example could be how to erm er how does the islam minority erm feel about the media coverage after the 11th of september and are there any is there any arguing going on amongst them themself <S1> mhm-hm </S1> this could be like one one concrete erm question that one can er write about </S4>
<S1> yeah mhm yeah yeah definitely yeah (start with) one point of view and and go on from that yeah yeah i think that's good good idea mhm anyone else anything in mind </S1>
<NS2> i wanted to look at as i said before the cultures and traditions <S1>  yeah </S1> whether minorities can still carry those on in another country [(and how)] </NS2>
<S1> [and there] there it would be good if you would have one thing in mind and you you could <NS2> yeah </NS2> take that er yeah you you mentioned the er circumcision </S1>
<NS2> yeah but i don't know </NS2>
<S1> yeah if people are able to talk about that <NS2> yeah </NS2> really something like that erm erm but that's it er i think that's also good concrete topic and [something] </S1>
<NS2> [just (xx)] reactions of how how people see like human rights how people what people's ideas of human rights and <S1> mhm-hm </S1> the fact that they (are not universal) because (you don't have universal) culture <S1> yeah </S1> so that's just people's ideas of how things should be traditions and rituals and that kind of </NS2>
<S1> mhm yeah i can try to find some er some sources for you on through the erm university there's been some research done obviously on this topic so there might be some help from that and er and we can develop that further on unless somebody has already er something with that idea mhm you can help <NAME NS2> to focus , okay i i'll try to see erm er <NAME NS5> you had something er the americans </S1>
<NS5> yeah er one i- one idea i i have a lot erm i'm interested in writing more than one article if that's okay i have like a lot of smaller ideas that erm i think would be interesting i just looked at the i-tampere website and erm kind of looked what wasn't there and what like contribute to the overall website uses like a <S1> [oh good] </S1> [something] that foreigners can go to check stuff out one thing erm that i'm interested in doing myself and i think would contribute to the website is kind of like a cultural overview of tampere like erm 'cause i've been living here and i've yet to go to a museum so kind of like a museum tour and critique and er cultural life of here in tampere kind of something like that just so you know like list of different museums or events they (xx) to the people <S1> yeah [yeah] </S1> ['cause] their service is for someone (other than) finnish and how interesting i i think they are and , i think that might help </NS5>
<S1> yeah i mean that's that's quite a lot already yeah </S1>
<NS5> yeah just i'll go to the different places that stuff erm . i guess then erm i'm interested in kind of language how people are are working with it how people are how people feel about it i talked a lot who say it's it's easy you just kind of (xx) some people say it's terrible er culture i like food i like to , food is always a topic of foreigners that i just finnish foods they have no spices and how people think about the na- the traditional foods and you know if you asked them that to name a traditional finnish food and and what it's interesting to figure out what they what they say you know f- as a foreigner stuff like that just it's not like too too deep but it's fun i think and i think somebody that a foreigner would go to the website and see and can <S1> [yeah] </S1> [relate to] feel comfortable erm also er yeah the american thing that has interested me for quite some time and i i have been talking to just a few people about that i mean er i guess i would just have to develop some kind of survey some kind of i i can't pull that off the top of my head i have <S1> [yeah] </S1> [to do some research] kind of kind of survey of about how we narrow it down in foreign politics or something and get answers and and a questionnaire of what do you think and as as a i'd really like to pursue that i think it's you know a relatively easy project and erm (xx) the results maybe just within this basic er within the university but also for (xx) i think <S1> mhm </S1> or you know whether the uni- university crowd university students </NS5>
<S1> well i think it would be more interesting if it was wider than the <NS5>  yeah </NS5> not just the university </S1>
<NS5> okay [you're right mhm] </NS5>
<S1> ['cause that's the] that's a problem with erm with some of the i- i-tampere stuff that it's very university based <NS5> okay </NS5> and er i i think it's it's very good to look <NS5> [just get out] </NS5> [at the other] other areas of society also </S1>
<NS5> just get out on the streets kind of thing <S1> yeah </S1> cool <S1> [yeah] </S1> [yeah] yeah good point </NS5>
<S1> but erm er there might be quite a lot of work in that er . er . you definitely would need to erm focus on something so that it won't be too big a project </S1>
<NS5> the [survey yeah] </NS5>
<S1> [so yeah yeah] so that you can actually do it @@ </S1>
<NS5> yeah er well i have i have a an abstract in my mind right now i kind of explained that before erm and er the the research method would actually be the to get people's impressions on foreign politics what do you think of president bush's this what do you think of the united states this and and they're going to tell me that i'm i have a hypothesis it's going to be a lot of negativity and then i will actually erm give them a kind of like a quiz er questions to do with foreign politics of of the united states see how they they come up , just kind of see what you know and what you say and just kind of make this comparison and and it's not to prove any point it's not to boast or brag or er but it's just kind of interesting thing <S1> mhm </S1> just </NS5>
<S1> yeah well i'm i'm also thinking about what what is the the target audience for 'cause this is for the foreigners of of <NS5> yeah </NS5> tampere [so] </S1>
<NS5> [yes] that's what i was saying like you know base it at the university like an educated <COUGH> well i mean i know that that's not a (xx) but like university students would be , they're supposed to know and @@ supposed to know about this stuff . i don't know who to who to aim it at i don't know who wants to read it <S1> @@ </S1> it not it might not work might work </NS5>
<S1> yeah the thing is er i think erm it needs to erm to develop some kind of erm er some kind of point for for this website so that it the the audience that are going to that so that they feel that this is so they it's not just erm for for people who are <NS5> yeah </NS5> you know </S1>
<NS5> it might take a lot of people off as well so if you don't want that it might take people off but it might just spark debate at least </NS5>
<S1> well that's good </S1>
<NS5> [it's good yeah @@] </NS5>
<S1> [that's yeah] that's not bad that's that's <NS5> [(xx)] </NS5> [always welcome] @@ yeah but erm mhm what is er what is erm i think the most erm important thing is to think about how you're going to do this erm 'cause obviously you can't do a really erm sort of scientific or statistical </S1>
<NS5> [it's not not a master's thesis] </NS5>
<S1> [thing yeah] survey @@ so er in order to keep it kind of random or just <NS5> yeah </NS5> you know if if you can you can keep that kind of tone to it that this is not really a scientific project but it's more like a <NS5> [yeah] </NS5> [quiz] done on the er in tampere kind of </S1>
<NS5> it requires a lot more thought but i can i can narrow it down to a lot i can narrow it down to like what's going on right now <S1> mhm </S1> with the <S1> mhm </S1> main issues erm i guess i just have to sit down and think about it erm [(xx)] </NS5>
<S1> [okay] but the main thing is that you're that you're interested in <NS5>  yes </NS5> in that and and that's something you want to do <NS5> yeah </NS5> yeah that's good </S1>
<NS5> also erm one more thing is is that you write a a TV critique thing erm i'm kind of a movie buff myself i like movies @@ and they don't do they have erm kind of a movie review </NS5>
<S1> no not review i know they have some erm erm something on cultural events and that's something i'm i'm sure it would be good if if people could write on those as <NS5> [okay] </NS5> [well] yeah so that's </S1>
<NS5> right as far as theme like movies like they don't have any kind of </NS5>
<S1> erm . [no i'm not sure , yeah] </S1>
<NS5> ['cause if it's something that you can (xx)] 'cause i read the paper the aamulehti or whatever 'cause i like to read these to know if i might want to <S1> [yeah] </S1> [(xx)] or , and so these people might go and look to the service and it might be (xx) website just er and that's i'm not going to (xx) every movie every month but <S1> yeah </S1> many different people might want to </NS5>
<S1> yeah of course there's er there's always erm erm possibility to <NS5>  translate </NS5> yeah and erm erm choose next selections picks of the month for example or or the week and that kind of stuff , <NS5> yeah </NS5> and <P:05> and actually we could erm that's something that . could be developed with er , with others . er from the i-tampere ask them about that because erm , could be also that that we could write about movies in not very traditional way but also think about if there are movies that are interested er interesting in the sense that they they have some kind of erm cultural <NS5>  yeah </NS5> or multicultural thing for example now there is lilja 4-ever which is erm , very interesting russian movie er s- swedish movie er about russian girl in sweden and her er this immigrant issue in the movie <NS5>  yeah </NS5> and that would be interesting to look with someone er from the same background for example <NS5> [absolutely yeah] </NS5> [this kind of] you know what they think about that movie and that kind of things <NS5> [yeah] </NS5> [could] be possible but there's quite a lot <NS5> [yeah (xx) yeah] </NS5> [here already so @@] so but these are things that that anyone can do actually you know we can we can if if you find some of these ideas interesting yeah </S1>
<NS2> i had another idea erm of people's reactions to erm finnish sauna culture because it's quite individual <S1> [yeah] </S1> [of finland] and er it's such a big part of their life <S1> yeah </S1> and english people can seem quite (prudish) sometimes @@ </NS2>
<S1> [yeah can be shocking] </S1>
<NS2> [(xx)] yeah so like , and maybe other countries <S1> mhm </S1> and maybe look into the meaning of what saunas or what sauna is 'cause i met <S1> yeah </S1> er a professor from er helsinki university who's written some books on er saunas and he talked to us about <FOREIGN> löy- löyly  </FOREIGN> the (xx) of the water <S1> yeah </S1> it means like ego and self and it has all sorts of meaning <S1> yeah </S1> that are subconscious </NS2>
<S1> oh that would be interesting 'cause i didn't know that @@ yeah definitely [er and] </S1>
<SU> [it could be quite funny actually it could be] </SU>
<S1> yeah yeah it would be it [could be nice to] </S1>
<NS2> ['cause (xx)] dad came to visit last week <S1> [yeah] </S1> [and he] went to the sauna but he went in with his shorts on <S1> yeah  </S1> 'cause he wouldn't believe when i said you couldn't wear any clothes <SS> [@@] </SS> [in the sauna] and my mum said (the one next to him next to him) (xx) she she could hear them all laughing at it <S1> [yeah] </S1> [because] he just got in with his shorts on was really embarrassed @@ </NS2>
<S1> yeah yeah and er i i actually know that there there've been some evidence that erm erm some of the erm , er </S1>
<SU> <WHISPERING> (xx) </WHISPERING> </SU>
<S1> <FOREIGN> mitä </FOREIGN> </S1>
<SU> <FOREIGN> ei mitään mä vaan jatkakaa </FOREIGN> @@ </SU>
<S1> erm okay . that er sauna is not not er only erm finnish i- er invention or swedes always claim that they invented although we all know that it's a finnish @@ thing but er actually the maya indians erm in in mexico they have they had saunas which is really really interesting </S1>
<NS2> that's (xx) said er thing is with (xx) the like drawings the like prehistoric age actually showed people drying up in the sauna and cooling off after the sauna <S1> [yeah] </S1> [so] (xx) </NS2>
<S1> yeah yeah that's that's pretty interesting yeah if you can since you're anthropologist you can have this anthropological approach yeah yeah erm then there are some things that you might find interesting erm er there is er i know next week there is erm erm some kind of er happening er it's an exhibition also a poetry reading of bosnian poems in er in this one place close close to the university and i think it's erm , the bosnian culture society has erm , er is behind that event they are quite active and they have all sorts of things happening so that's one one society that that might have something that might , might be interesting , for er to to write a story on the bosnian scene in tampere and their activities then there is tomorrow actually there is erm er lecture at the department of journalism and mass communication and er i read from here i i took this from the e-mail er <READING ALOUD> the lecture deals with background and influence of media reporting of the conflict in the former yugoslavia during the period 91 to 95 erm the failure of the dutch pe- peace keeping mission the dutch (xx) in july 8- 95 to hinder the mass killing of thousands of muslim men by bosnian serb units lead to a heated discussion about the role and objectives of the mission , professor <NAME> has participated in a public investigation into circumstances and events before during and after the fall of sr- srebrenica and has studied the motives and methods of dutch journalists in their reporting on the conflict </READING ALOUD> so this is i think it's er er it's quite interesting lecture erm and it might you know might be interesting to even write about that er i talked with a friend of mine who's who's done some , who's now doing er research concerning the the bosnians in finland and their erm erm , mhm moving back to to bosnia and and things like that and she says that these issues are very very delicate and very difficult erm within the community erm but if somebody is interesting interested in that there is definitely tomorrow there is a lecture and that could be some something that if if you want to erm , do something more on that there's that possibility yeah </S1>
<S6> mhm i will certainly go there tomorrow but erm i've planned it already but i'm not sure if i will write about it but we'll see <S1> okay [yeah] </S1> [could] be interesting </S6>
<S1> yeah well you can go there and if you feel that there's something that you want to write , that's fine but yeah yeah are you in any way interested in the in the bosnian community thing ['cause] </S1>
<S6> [mhm] not really the bosnian community maybe but the the subject er is quite interesting i think </S6>
<S1> yeah yeah oh yeah you're dutch of course [@@] </S1>
<S6> [yeah i'm dutch and er] the lecturer is dutch too so i have to go </S6>
<S1> yeah @@ okay but yeah it's erm 'cause it's erm i think i i also want to hear this because it's very interesting interesting topic and or the e- the event overall was was very very . er tragic in many ways mhm . er any other ideas . er <NAME S7> what about you you have any </S1>
<S7> no [nothing @@] </S7>
<S1> [no] @@ . mhm </S1>
<S7> yeah i don't think there is much to say about russian erm community here <S1> [mhm] </S1> ['cause] er they already say about themselves quite a lot @@ i mean it's a majority so <S1> mhm mhm </S1> but i i i don't think there is like information lack <S1> mhm </S1> so </S7>
<S1> so what about the other topics that we've talked about </S1>
<P:10>
<S7> well i definitely don't want to write anything about the politics </S7>
<S1> okay you don't have to <S7> [(xx)] </S7> [no you] don't have to </S1>
<S7> 'cause , well mainly mainly f- foreigners like erm mainly young foreigners go to this site right like i-tampere so probably some <COUGH> entertainment leisure er i mean erm how spend free time . erm but it's already @@ er for instance you can find all those informations in erm in tampere info or something <S1> mhm </S1> they have their own website where they have like you just choose erm for instance the music you want to listen an it gives you a list of pubs they have here <S1> mhm </S1> in tampere so quite useful (and handy) stuff </S7>
<S1> yeah well i was thinking that it would it would be interesting if you know if you're interested or or some of you are interested in some cultural events or or things like that you can always erm write about er them recommendations reviews that kind of stuff but it can it those need to be something that go on so that the readers will actually also be able to get the news of the reviews . something like that if if you're interested in that or , mhm . mhm so any other anything here that we talked about interests anyone @@ <P:11> no , you don't have any own ideas then , something that you would like to write about <P:06> [yeah] </S1>
<S6> [well] i've maybe i maybe have another idea that i saw that on the i-tampere <S1> yeah </S1> there's not too much about sports er could be interesting to write something about that </S6>
<S1> yeah good idea </S1>
<S6> there was yeah i think there was nothing about noth- nothing about sports so </S6>
<S1> yeah okay . yeah that's something yeah we can talk then then (we) when when they come and we can discuss with them you [<NAME S4>] </S1>
<S4> [yeah] just what i hear there's a german community as well right in in tampere </S4>
<S1> i suppose so i </S1>
<S4> oh yeah yeah so could be to this erm election (party) was it erm in (xx) <S1> yeah </S1> (xx) the others and here too or if the other (xx) appear to be too difficult (as a german) , do that as well </S4>
<S1> okay <P:05> mhm <P:05> <DISC CHANGE> of them and we can discuss which way to turn and that way i can also help you i can't help you writing the stories if i don't have any clue what you're doing . or you know if if i don't know even what you're interested in <P:05> but anyway er there are some things that have er er in our schedule that have changed we were supposed to er we were supposed to go next week er for a visit to aamulehti but we have to postpone that because er maija-katriina the er the er journalist she's she has to travel to another place on monday so ah we start the erm the photographing , on monday next monday so that's what we have on and erm <P:05> er so that's on next monday and the following monday . and er were there here some some of you who already know quite a bit about photographing </S1>
<SU> a little bit yeah </SU>
<NS2> i've done a little bit (xx) </NS2>
<S1> pardon </S1>
<NS2> i've done a little bit (xx) more art related erm photography (xx) <S1> mhm </S1> that was usually digital cameras </NS2>
<S1> so ah so you familiar with photographing and that kind of <NS2> kind of  </NS2> yeah . okay . 'cause well if you don't or or if you want to learn this as a chance this is er sort of basics of journalistic photographing anssi is teaching and and if you already know quite a lot about and you've done your own you erm . you've done photographing and maybe with er with stories and stuff like that so in that case you probably know already what he's going to teach but he's also erm . erm done some erm studies in actually he's er he did his PhD on erm islamic images in western media so he's probably gonna talk little bit also about that the ideology of of pictures and images , but erm . er so . i think er it might be quite interesting for for many of you but the basics if if you already know . then it's erm s- you can use the the time different , for writing the stories for example erm . anyway i think everybody should come er next monday to the course anyway 'cause erm we have to learn the erm , i-tampere , erm , tool or the the the system they are they have so that you can write the stories right into their system , and meanwhile anssi is teaching some of you i can explain that , er for the others , so , do something like that next time . but i'll go and see if the i-tampere people are have arrived <P:59> no i didn't , no-one's , arrived yet . so i suppose we'll just wait for them <P:08> and if there's something you want to ask or or whatever now it's the time <P:12> the idea with the with the photographing is that you can actually take pictures , for your stories yourself , so that's the thing that , you should learn , by that i- in those two meetings . and if it's too difficult then you can yeah </S1>
<S6> i'm sorry but didn't you say that they came at four (this evening) they come at four o'clock <S1> yeah </S1> but it's now three o'clock </S6>
<S1> oh no </S1>
<S6> (xx) yeah </S6>
<SS> @@ </SS>
<S1> obviously @@ </S1>
<S6> so (xx) </S6>
<S1> i was wondering wow the time just flies @@ oh yeah ah somebody should change that clock . okay </S1>
<SU> @@ (xx) we are closer to the clock so @@ </SU>
<S1> mhm was it something you wanted to say </S1>
<NS5> i i i just a question <S1> yeah </S1> erm erm in writing like a review or a critique <S1> mhm </S1> (xx) for a movie or a a television programme . erm . i don't know like er how do you go about doing that like as far as your target audience and as far as as being being too biased because if i'm reviewing . like . a kids' show like i'm not interested in that so obviously (i'm gonna) not be good but but the people who are going to be reading the review review are probably the people who are going to be watching the show so when i'm writing a critique of a movie or a television show am i is my target audience who would be watching the show and like how because tho- when i read reviews they they generally have very strong opinions and they like kind of know who's (xx) kind of things and it's i like that 'cause they give you like a yes or a no like go see it or don't go see it they don't give you like a book report kind of erm , so er s- my basic question is like how important is like your opinion bias and who's your audience </NS5>
<S1> mhm well the thing is there are different ways to write reviews one way is to do a traditional critique s- traditional criticism cultural criticism in in the sense that you you er evaluate different elements , in a show for example , you know the the narration or or the narrative structure whether it's well well done the the obvious kind of element elements so and er focus and actors and how successful they are in their group work you can do that er and if you do that kind of traditional critique then then you usually end up saying good or bad , this show is good or this is bad erm but then you can also erm , do a do it a bit differently sort of putting it in a context that from this point of view this is interesting or whether it raises a question concerning something for example if you see a kids' kids' programme it raises a question on , well gender issues for example and you can you can write about that there are different ways to do it you don't always have to do the kind of traditional </S1>
<NS5> like the ones where you see the stars afterwards <S1> yeah yeah </S1> three stars or four stars <S1> yeah yeah mhm </S1> that's the traditional critique </NS5>
<S1> yeah yeah and it can be quite helpful to for example i i i tend to look at the stars and <NS5> yeah </NS5> if i see a a critique </S1>
<NS5> i see you could just have a whole study on it , on people who use the stuff </NS5>
<S1> mhm yeah but then of course the the i think if you write different review on ah what it's about and what issues it raises it raises then you can have a more perspectives on the on the actual show and it's it's more open to discussion really <NS5> yeah </NS5> i think that's sort of better way to do it mhm </S1>
<NS5> as far as the just the general review like if i'm reviewing like just a TV show like who who is my audience then like if if my job is to review </NS5>
<S1> the readers </S1>
<NS5> well like if i'm </NS5>
<S1> [whoever reads your story] </S1>
<NS5> [if i'm reviewing dawson's creek] and like some some news programme my readers are going to be different 'cause <S1> yeah </S1> the elderly people probably won't even bother reading the review of dawson's creek because </NS5>
<S1> parents may be interested in it @@ </S1>
<NS5> yeah my children watch this and <S1> yeah mhm </S1> okay </NS5>
<S1> yeah but of course yeah you you have to take into account who who you're talking to always when you write think about the audience . but sometimes it's it's also good not to narra- narrow down the audience too much in your mind </S1>
<NS5> yeah yeah that's true </NS5>
<S1> and to leave it leave it open for so that 'cause in in the er traditional critique it's it's also well for example if we talk about , dance or theatre or this kind of critique it's very narrow sometimes the the vocabulary the words you use and the way the the show's are evaluated it's s- it's sort of inside information really so that's that's something that that erm i myself don't like that much but mhm . yeah but it's possible to do it that way mhm . yeah <P:05> and if if you think about reviews for i-tampere then . then obviously i think it would be nice to have erm kind of events or happenings that have this kind of erm erm that would relate to the people who are reading i-tampere the mhm . mhm . mhm . yeah . yeah i was kind of planning that we could use this time in planning @@ in planning the stories and erm stuff like that so . erm . so the ones who who have some ideas could actually we could go through some of them even if you want to 'cause you can already get started with your stories you don't have to wait for at some point in the 'cause er it's really good if we start early so we can we can you have more time to develop them . mhm so erm <NAME S6> you were talking about the sport do you have any </S1>
<S6> no , more about er tennis and then i think (xx) like most people know finland is not a country where they play a lot of tennis but since er jarkko nieminen <S1> yeah </S1> is the one on the top er people want to play tennis and that's quite interesting i think <S1> yeah </S1> that's personal </S6>
<S1> yeah yeah but that's interesting you do- you could also you if if you think about the story you could also erm collect some information on where to play tennis <S6> mhm </S6> and stuff like that you know <S6> yeah </S6> sort of to also </S1>
<S6> there are there aren't too much possibilities in tampere so </S6>
<S1> have you looked for </S1>
<S6> yeah yeah i i play tennis myself so </S6>
<S1> yeah . yeah especially in the winter time it's a <S6> yeah </S6> the weather is kind of , problematic , yeah in the summer there are some outside courts </S1>
<S6> yeah there's an outdoor outdoor court er behind the university <S1>  yeah </S1> it's too small so </S6>
<S1> mhm . mhm </S1>
<SU> <WHISPERING> (xx) </WHISPERING> </SU>
<S1> so do you erm </S1>
<S6> maybe it's also possible i know that there's erm a tournament for erm for children till 17 year olds , kids of 17 year or something maybe it's also possible to write about that in the in the event in tampere or something <S1> yeah </S1> i know it that it starts at the third of november so </S6>
<S1> oh oh so quite soon </S1>
<S6> yeah next no this weekend </S6>
<S1> yeah okay and er yeah that seems interesting then there are other other cultural er stuff different kinds of erm things you can do , well for example dance er i just told the er erm . er <NAME> er and er er s- now i forgot her name the others er from spain er about the really strange er flamenco culture that we have in finland it seems to be very very popular in finland there are quite a lot of flamenco groups which is also quite interesting kind of cultural mixture if someone is interested could write about that </S1>
<S8> (xx) maybe i would like to write w- write about that </S8>
<S1> okay yeah 'cause there are there are some schools i think there are two schools flamenco schools and and er </S1>
<S8> 'cause i know that some international students even , even go there to dance and also finnish because their finnish friends go dancing there <S1> yeah okay </S1> (xx) </S8>
<S1> yeah yeah that's good yeah and i can give you some contacts conta- , er or you can go with your friends actually <S8> yeah </S8> yeah if you could go and and and see the classes and i don't know if they have some they usually have quite a lot of events . er even during the the fall in summer they have one big big flamenco , flamenco weeks but erm they might have something <S8> mhm </S8> now just have to check that out . then i think i- it would be good if you could work together so that not every one of you have one big story but you could have parts of stories that you could work together which would be really nice you could some 'cause , it's erm , since this is a website can't really er expect it to erm have these long stories one after another but you you should be able to develop some side stories for your stories also or some little , pieces to go with that so that's something to think about er do you have anything that you would like to do together are there some topics that are interested interesting for you , that don't have any topic yet are there some things that you you would like to share with or write together with someone . not really </S1>
<NS5> perhaps we could just erm kind of make a cultural like i was saying the museums maybe if we go kind of pick that and museums some of which we can just stop by the next couple of weeks er , we could compile it into an article reviews of cultural centres and so something like that </NS5>
<S1> mhm yeah that's a way where everybody could do a little bit kind of thing </S1>
<NS5> (xx) we could work out (a little tour) </NS5>
<S1> mhm yeah that's one way yeah </S1>
<S4> there's an interesting er european exhibition in museum of contemporary art it's like multicultural <S1> yeah </S1> (xx) </S4>
<S1> yeah that's a good idea yeah <P:05> mhm where's my </S1>
<NS5> maybe we could get like a list of of the finnish (xx) </NS5>
<S1> yeah actually we could do that right now <NS5> yeah </NS5> yeah yeah just go and look for them . er ah we could look at what i-tampere has now on their event lists so we can all move to the computers </S1>
